Strength over Tactics? why?! - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Nikki Moonlight · Oct 30, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

By the way, i never use all those skills, in my skill slot for normal PvE its usually along these lines...

dismember, axe rake, axe twist, penetrating blow, victory is mine!, mending, healing signet, and a rez of some sort

it is just built to heal no-matter what..for some reason all the monks i'm teamed with are inadequate healers so i depend on self healing instead..

EDIT: i do PvP and you all seem to act like i've never done it, it may not be much compared to PvP fanatics but i'm at 100k total faction..

carnivore · Oct 30, 2005, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Grim Weeper

EDIT: i do PvP and you all seem to act like i've never done it, it may not be much compared to PvP fanatics but i'm at 100k total faction..

you dont use eviserate(best warrior elite imo), you use mending, and i think its safe to say all that is random arena faction. but, that is your pve, so what is your pvp build?

you indeed have more total faction than i do, gotta give credit for that.

simple fact is tactics doesnt help you do your job, take out the monk. str does.

Medion · Oct 30, 2005, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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now you might say tactics will help you survive, but guess what, no one cares. warriors dont get hit, much less get hit by other warriors in a pvp. if you get hit, you are the last one on your team. period.

You forgot the ranger

, he is the last

About the topic, I think for PvE tactics is better, because of the stances.
I don`t know about the PvP, cause I don`t play that

carnivore · Oct 30, 2005, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Medion

You forgot the ranger

, he is the last

lol, not for me. intterupt/trap rangers, right after mesmers and and shutdown necros

Nikki Moonlight · Oct 30, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

i don't use PvE characters for PvP..but i do have an axe build...along with a mesmer..and a ele....but axe warrior build it is...

eviscerate, axe rake, axe twist, penetrating blow, balthazars spirit, Symbol of Wrath, Rez sig....and...something.....don't remember last slot..haven't used axe in PvP for a while..

EDIT: my warriors only at Ember light camp..mainly because i've been farming with it for a while instead, so i haven't got eviscerate yet..

carnivore · Oct 30, 2005, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grim Weeper

i don't use PvE characters for PvP..but i do have an axe build...along with a mesmer..and a ele....but axe warrior build it is...

eviscerate, axe rake, axe twist, penetrating blow, balthazars spirit, Symbol of Wrath, Rez sig....and...something.....don't remember last slot..haven't used axe in PvP for a while..

EDIT: my warriors only at Ember light camp..mainly because i've been farming with it for a while instead, so i haven't got eviscerate yet..

sorry, i've kinda dragged you off topic.

anyway, your pvp warrior build doesnt even use tactics, and if your argument that tactics is better in PVE, your absolutely right

Nikki Moonlight · Oct 30, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

never said anything about tactics being better in PvP

gou · Oct 30, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

balanced stance -> desperation blow -> flourish -> desperation blow
repeat till balanced stance runs out then unload your adrenal skills while you wait for the next balanced stance. This makes my hammer warrior happy doing considerable damage at tactics 16.
Merely meet the requirement (9) on the hammer as most hammer adrenal skills arent worth pumping the attribute for, leaving a few points for secondary or strength (for flourish energy refund)
spammable "watch yourself" to help nearby friendlies, +20 armour almost always.
Puts the fun in functional!

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 30, 2005, 09:05 PM // 21:05

I too am very disappointed in the fact that strength shields are nigh impossible for me to find. I've NEVER found a max armor strength shield both during game and while farming. All the tactics shields are around, but str shields seem ONLY to exist in either green items [which I don't have time to harvest due to being a husband and a working man] and miniscule farming. [barely 25mins a day...]

This is a VERY bad issue that Anet needs to solve. Where the hell can one find a simple 7-9 strength 16 armor shield easily?

I've found like 30 9 tactics 16 armor shields but NO FREAKIN' STRENGTH BASED SHIELD!!!

jonnybegood · Oct 30, 2005, 09:22 PM // 21:22

like ive sayed before , its the uncommen areas where you go, be creative and explore : )

Catalin Dracul · Oct 30, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

i have a req 7 strengh Magmas sheild

derrtyboy69 · Oct 30, 2005, 09:34 PM // 21:34

Reason strength is worth more: Strength is used in PvP to achieve a higher DPS, and people will pay more to get great items for PvP. Tactics is mainly a PvE skill, and PvE is so easy that people will settle with less than perfect items, and dont want to pay as much for them.

Jenosavel · Oct 30, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Er... I think people in the last page or so seem to have glossed over the point that strength offers decent tanking abilities as well. So strength does help you tank in addition to helping you do damage. It may not be as powerful as an all-tactics tank, but it does let you tank nonetheless. Therefore, strength helps you perform 2 functions, while tactics only helps you perform 1. That in combination with strength shields being more rare will make them more expensive by default.

Racthoh · Oct 31, 2005, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Before the change to Dolyak Signet, I would agree that tactics is beyond superior to strength as far as tanking is concerned. With maxed strength, you're looking at almost a constant (2 second cool down) +34 AL and can't be knocked down. Effectively, like using two extra shields. Endure Pain and garbage, stop using it. Do you know how much of a pain it is as a monk and all of a sudden your warrior just dies? Stop using it, and use Dolyak Signet instead.

Watch Yourself is among the best tactics skills available. 4 strikes and you're enjoying +20 AL. Shields Up! on a warrior secondary works very nicely, especially in PvP. Anyone who knows how dangerous a ranger spike is would want Shield's Up! with them. Fear Me! on a warrior is good, and can lock an enemy's energy rather effectively.

Dolyak Signet and Watch Yourself are all you need to tank in PvE, with the exception of Bladed Aaxte. They still hit for too much even with +54 AL. Also note that Watch Yourself can't be interrupted, and Dolyak Signet can only be stopped by Ignorance. As it has been said, many stances end under certain circumstances and you won't be effective character if all you can do is sit there. But, Ignorance and Bladed Aatxe will meet you in the UW so I'd advise 16 tactics in there.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Protector's Strike. Does no one use this skill? 2 second recharge, and all the enemy has to be doing is moving, not fleeing, unlike Bull's Strike. If you're a warrior you'll know how often the monks are moving.

A 75% evasion is nice and all, but spells are still going to rip you apart. Pumping up your AL is a lot more effective, and basically the only damage you'll be taking will come from sources that can't be prevented in that manner. Chaos damage, holy damage, degeneration, etc... are about the only things that will kill you.

Mike BMT · Oct 31, 2005, 01:49 AM // 01:49

Tactics is pretty useless in my opinion.

Executioners Strike
Eviscerate
Axe Rake
Axe Twist
Disrupting Chop
For Great Justice
Healing Breeze
Res Signet

That is my axe warrior build, it pretty much kicks the shit out of everyone.
Why on earth would I use tactics for that?

When I am farming, I use tactics, so I have a tactics sheild also.

But for any type of PvP or PvE missions, Strength is the way to go.

nicky nightmare · Oct 31, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58

its all about what works best for the individual gamer... what works for one person may not feel right for the next.....

Crazy Sausage · Oct 31, 2005, 12:42 PM // 12:42

for the people having trouble finding stregnth based shields

ive had a couple of shadow shields and seen a lot of them drop in the FoW nearly always stregnth based

Sister Rosette · Oct 31, 2005, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

I too am very disappointed in the fact that strength shields are nigh impossible for me to find. I've NEVER found a max armor strength shield both during game and while farming. All the tactics shields are around, but str shields seem ONLY to exist in either green items [which I don't have time to harvest due to being a husband and a working man] and miniscule farming. [barely 25mins a day...]

This is a VERY bad issue that Anet needs to solve. Where the hell can one find a simple 7-9 strength 16 armor shield easily?

I've found like 30 9 tactics 16 armor shields but NO FREAKIN' STRENGTH BASED SHIELD!!!

Really? Because my storage is choked with em. Hit me up in game and we
can work something out if you're looking to buy.

Anyhoo, time for the cynic opinion of why people are so gay for strength.
Because a lot of W's, usually the ones I get stuck with, think they're
the big damage dealers of the party. Elementalist? Pssh. Necro, Mesmer?
Ya rite. That Sever Artery skill pwnz Meteor Shower. People online are
arrogant, no getting around it, and they think, no matter what class, that
they're the big gun of the party. One incident comes to mind when I had
a Protection monk tell me she could hit for more than I could.

The same holds true for %<50 items. People assume their badass and their
health will never drop that low. Online arrogance, nothing more.

Mandy Memory · Oct 31, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

i use strength as opposed to tactics, because:
1. strength has better skills
2. strength does something besides have worse skills
3. strength shields look better

sprint is one of the most useful skills and its strength based, and should be on nearly every warrior build

tactics has gotten a lot better over time....but it still isnt worth the points

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 31, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

Really? Because my storage is choked with em. Hit me up in game and we
can work something out if you're looking to buy.

Anyhoo, time for the cynic opinion of why people are so gay for strength.
Because a lot of W's, usually the ones I get stuck with, think they're
the big damage dealers of the party. Elementalist? Pssh. Necro, Mesmer?
Ya rite. That Sever Artery skill pwnz Meteor Shower. People online are
arrogant, no getting around it, and they think, no matter what class, that
they're the big gun of the party. One incident comes to mind when I had
a Protection monk tell me she could hit for more than I could.

The same holds true for %<50 items. People assume their badass and their
health will never drop that low. Online arrogance, nothing more.

I would like to buy one from ya. [at a reasonable price for one who can't get 9999999 Platinum in 3 hours... gah*] I'll check.

I would also like to add to your statement that I can deliver 30s. of 30 armor ignoring shadow damage per second to a mob that's adjacent to me. [which means my casters are smart and didn't aggro the enemies...]

There's arrogance, and then there's people who back it up.

It's not bragging if you can do it...

Oct 30, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43	#21
Nikki Moonlight Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brighton, England Guild: Ice Cold Elements [ICE] Profession: Mo/	By the way, i never use all those skills, in my skill slot for normal PvE its usually along these lines... dismember, axe rake, axe twist, penetrating blow, victory is mine!, mending, healing signet, and a rez of some sort it is just built to heal no-matter what..for some reason all the monks i'm teamed with are inadequate healers so i depend on self healing instead.. EDIT: i do PvP and you all seem to act like i've never done it, it may not be much compared to PvP fanatics but i'm at 100k total faction..

Oct 30, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06	#25
Nikki Moonlight Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brighton, England Guild: Ice Cold Elements [ICE] Profession: Mo/	i don't use PvE characters for PvP..but i do have an axe build...along with a mesmer..and a ele....but axe warrior build it is... eviscerate, axe rake, axe twist, penetrating blow, balthazars spirit, Symbol of Wrath, Rez sig....and...something.....don't remember last slot..haven't used axe in PvP for a while.. EDIT: my warriors only at Ember light camp..mainly because i've been farming with it for a while instead, so i haven't got eviscerate yet..

Oct 30, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20	#27
Nikki Moonlight Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brighton, England Guild: Ice Cold Elements [ICE] Profession: Mo/	never said anything about tactics being better in PvP

Oct 30, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54	#28
gou Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: globally warmed england Guild: the discarnate	balanced stance -> desperation blow -> flourish -> desperation blow repeat till balanced stance runs out then unload your adrenal skills while you wait for the next balanced stance. This makes my hammer warrior happy doing considerable damage at tactics 16. Merely meet the requirement (9) on the hammer as most hammer adrenal skills arent worth pumping the attribute for, leaving a few points for secondary or strength (for flourish energy refund) spammable "watch yourself" to help nearby friendlies, +20 armour almost always. Puts the fun in functional!

Oct 30, 2005, 09:05 PM // 21:05	#29
Yukito Kunisaki Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Profession: W/N	I too am very disappointed in the fact that strength shields are nigh impossible for me to find. I've NEVER found a max armor strength shield both during game and while farming. All the tactics shields are around, but str shields seem ONLY to exist in either green items [which I don't have time to harvest due to being a husband and a working man] and miniscule farming. [barely 25mins a day...] This is a VERY bad issue that Anet needs to solve. Where the hell can one find a simple 7-9 strength 16 armor shield easily? I've found like 30 9 tactics 16 armor shields but NO FREAKIN' STRENGTH BASED SHIELD!!!

Oct 30, 2005, 09:22 PM // 21:22	#30
jonnybegood Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: huh? Guild: The Final Exodus[FX]	like ive sayed before , its the uncommen areas where you go, be creative and explore : )

Oct 30, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29	#31
Catalin Dracul Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Guild: [DSA] Profession: W/Mo	i have a req 7 strengh Magmas sheild

Oct 30, 2005, 09:34 PM // 21:34	#32
derrtyboy69 Grotto Attendant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Clouds Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS] Profession: Mo/Me	Reason strength is worth more: Strength is used in PvP to achieve a higher DPS, and people will pay more to get great items for PvP. Tactics is mainly a PvE skill, and PvE is so easy that people will settle with less than perfect items, and dont want to pay as much for them.

Oct 30, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55	#33
Jenosavel Master of Beasts Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	Er... I think people in the last page or so seem to have glossed over the point that strength offers decent tanking abilities as well. So strength does help you tank in addition to helping you do damage. It may not be as powerful as an all-tactics tank, but it does let you tank nonetheless. Therefore, strength helps you perform 2 functions, while tactics only helps you perform 1. That in combination with strength shields being more rare will make them more expensive by default.

Oct 31, 2005, 12:45 AM // 00:45	#34
Racthoh Did I hear 7 heroes? Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)	Before the change to Dolyak Signet, I would agree that tactics is beyond superior to strength as far as tanking is concerned. With maxed strength, you're looking at almost a constant (2 second cool down) +34 AL and can't be knocked down. Effectively, like using two extra shields. Endure Pain and garbage, stop using it. Do you know how much of a pain it is as a monk and all of a sudden your warrior just dies? Stop using it, and use Dolyak Signet instead. Watch Yourself is among the best tactics skills available. 4 strikes and you're enjoying +20 AL. Shields Up! on a warrior secondary works very nicely, especially in PvP. Anyone who knows how dangerous a ranger spike is would want Shield's Up! with them. Fear Me! on a warrior is good, and can lock an enemy's energy rather effectively. Dolyak Signet and Watch Yourself are all you need to tank in PvE, with the exception of Bladed Aaxte. They still hit for too much even with +54 AL. Also note that Watch Yourself can't be interrupted, and Dolyak Signet can only be stopped by Ignorance. As it has been said, many stances end under certain circumstances and you won't be effective character if all you can do is sit there. But, Ignorance and Bladed Aatxe will meet you in the UW so I'd advise 16 tactics in there. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Protector's Strike. Does no one use this skill? 2 second recharge, and all the enemy has to be doing is moving, not fleeing, unlike Bull's Strike. If you're a warrior you'll know how often the monks are moving. A 75% evasion is nice and all, but spells are still going to rip you apart. Pumping up your AL is a lot more effective, and basically the only damage you'll be taking will come from sources that can't be prevented in that manner. Chaos damage, holy damage, degeneration, etc... are about the only things that will kill you.

Oct 31, 2005, 01:49 AM // 01:49	#35
Mike BMT Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Guild of Night Profession: W/Mo	Tactics is pretty useless in my opinion. Executioners Strike Eviscerate Axe Rake Axe Twist Disrupting Chop For Great Justice Healing Breeze Res Signet That is my axe warrior build, it pretty much kicks the shit out of everyone. Why on earth would I use tactics for that? When I am farming, I use tactics, so I have a tactics sheild also. But for any type of PvP or PvE missions, Strength is the way to go.

Oct 31, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58	#36
nicky nightmare Academy Page Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: between a rock and a hard place...... Guild: Miendrak'el Myrth (MeM	its all about what works best for the individual gamer... what works for one person may not feel right for the next.....

Oct 31, 2005, 12:42 PM // 12:42	#37
Crazy Sausage Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: W/E	for the people having trouble finding stregnth based shields ive had a couple of shadow shields and seen a lot of them drop in the FoW nearly always stregnth based

Oct 31, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19	#39
Mandy Memory Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Guild: Xen of Sigils [XoO] Profession: W/	i use strength as opposed to tactics, because: 1. strength has better skills 2. strength does something besides have worse skills 3. strength shields look better sprint is one of the most useful skills and its strength based, and should be on nearly every warrior build tactics has gotten a lot better over time....but it still isnt worth the points